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<div>==Vision Statement==<br />
To stoke the flame that is reason as society leaves religion in our past.<br />
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===Market Atheism===<br />
To educate the people of the world on atheism<br><br />
To show the good atheists do for the sake of doing good.<br><br />
To establish tolerance in our nations for atheism and atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a watch dog organization to protect against religious infringement upon atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a lighthouse to those atheists who are alone or who remain hidden for fear of persecution.<br><br />
To combat religious propaganda and brainwashing.<br><br />
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===Improve the world===<br />
To unite in doing good together.<br><br />
To protect the rights of atheists and anyone who is being oppressed<br><br />
To make changes in government policy and goals<br><br />
To help all societies move toward global secularization<br><br />
To champion goals that serve the people such as making healthcare and a full education affordable or free for all.<br><br />
To elect critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations.<br><br />
To champion the ideas of truth, knowledge and freedom.<br><br />
To fight to protect our environment as we strive to make this planet better for future generations.<br><br />
<br />
===Protect and promote secular government===<br />
To repeal laws which impose religious ideals<br><br />
To return America to its Constitutional roots, without a government supported religious belief.<br><br />
To end the special privileges and exemptions that governments afford to religious institutions, including exemption from taxation.<br><br />
To give atheists a world in which they don't give their tax dollars to religious leaders.<br><br />
To protect all people from the dangers of religion including arguing against all war that is predicated at least partially on religious conflict.<br><br />
To protect all people from religious intrusion.<br><br />
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Check out the watered down version of our [[vision_.5]], we're considering more mass appeal by removing scary parts.<br />
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====Modifications====<br />
=====November 16th, 2011=====<br />
As stated our vision is open to revision, I have removed the following vision points on November 16th: <br />
* To assist the National Atheist Party by allowing ourselves to be counted and show that atheists are a voting block. ''Removed because reference to NAP alienated International members. Secondary reason: minor disagreement among atheists at to it should be supported''.<br />
* To elect an openly atheist President, as an important symbolic milestone of a shift in the perceptions and biases of the populace. ''Removed for now, but this will be voted on in a poll in 2012. This is coming across as redundant to some people and misleading to some people. The reference to electing "critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations" is much more universal and will be agreed upon by a larger group of atheists''.<br />
* To expose the truth about all religious establishments. ''Removed because it's redundant with "combat religious propaganda and brainwashing" and seems confrontational.''<br />
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====Discussion====<br />
For discussion of the [[#Vision Statement]], please visit [http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/30598 this forum discussion], and the [[Talk:Our Vision]] wiki page.<br />
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[[Category:Atheism United]] [[Category:Our Vision]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Our_VisionOur Vision2011-11-18T15:03:01Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>==Vision Statement==<br />
To stoke the flame that is reason as society leaves religion in our past.<br />
<br />
===Market Atheism===<br />
To educate the people of the world on atheism<br><br />
To show the good atheists do for the sake of doing good.<br><br />
To establish tolerance in our nations for atheism and atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a watch dog organization to protect against religious infringement upon atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a lighthouse to those atheists who are alone or who remain hidden for fear of persecution.<br><br />
To combat religious propaganda and brainwashing.<br><br />
<br />
===Improve the world===<br />
To unite in doing good together.<br><br />
To protect the rights of atheists and anyone who is being oppressed<br><br />
To make changes in government policy and goals<br><br />
To help all societies move toward global secularization<br><br />
To champion goals that serve the people such as making healthcare and a full education affordable or free for all.<br><br />
To elect critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations.<br><br />
To champion the ideas of truth, knowledge and freedom.<br><br />
To fight to protect our environment as we strive to make this planet better for future generations.<br><br />
<br />
===Protect and promote secular government===<br />
To repeal laws which impose religious ideals<br><br />
To return America to its Constitutional roots, without a government supported religious belief.<br><br />
To end the special privileges and exemptions that governments afford to religious institutions, including exemption from taxation.<br><br />
To give atheists a world in which they don't give their tax dollars to religious leaders.<br><br />
To protect all people from the dangers of religion including arguing against all war that is predicated at least partially on religious conflict.<br><br />
To protect all people from religious intrusion.<br><br />
<br />
<br />
Check out the watered down version of our [[vision_.5]], we're considering more mass appeal by removing scary parts.<br />
----<br />
====Modifications====<br />
=====November 16th, 2011=====<br />
As stated our vision is open to revision, I have removed the following vision points on November 16th: <br />
* To assist the National Atheist Party by allowing ourselves to be counted and show that atheists are a voting block. ''Removed because reference to NAP alienated International members. Secondary reason: minor disagreement among atheists at to it should be supported''.<br />
* To elect an openly atheist President, as an important symbolic milestone of a shift in the perceptions and biases of the populace. ''Removed for now, but this will be voted on in a poll in 2012. This is coming across as redundant to some people and misleading to some people. The reference to electing "critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations" is much more universal and will be agreed upon by a larger group of atheists''.<br />
* To expose the truth about all religious establishments. ''Removed because it's redundant with "combat religious propaganda and brainwashing" and seems confrontational.''<br />
{{dash}}{{signature talk|Brian}}<br />
====Discussion====<br />
For discussion of the [[#Vision Statement]], please visit [http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/30598 this forum discussion].<br />
<br />
[[Category:Atheism United]] [[Category:Our Vision]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Our_VisionOur Vision2011-11-18T15:02:43Z<p>Wonderist: /* Discussion */</p>
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<div>==Vision Statement==<br />
To stoke the flame that is reason as society leaves religion in our past.<br />
<br />
===Market Atheism===<br />
To educate the people of the world on atheism<br><br />
To show the good atheists do for the sake of doing good.<br><br />
To establish tolerance in our nations for atheism and atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a watch dog organization to protect against religious infringement upon atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a lighthouse to those atheists who are alone or who remain hidden for fear of persecution.<br><br />
To combat religious propaganda and brainwashing.<br><br />
<br />
===Improve the world===<br />
To unite in doing good together.<br><br />
To protect the rights of atheists and anyone who is being oppressed<br><br />
To make changes in government policy and goals<br><br />
To help all societies move toward global secularization<br><br />
To champion goals that serve the people such as making healthcare and a full education affordable or free for all.<br><br />
To elect critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations.<br><br />
To champion the ideas of truth, knowledge and freedom.<br><br />
To fight to protect our environment as we strive to make this planet better for future generations.<br><br />
<br />
===Protect and promote secular government===<br />
To repeal laws which impose religious ideals<br><br />
To return America to its Constitutional roots, without a government supported religious belief.<br><br />
To end the special privileges and exemptions that governments afford to religious institutions, including exemption from taxation.<br><br />
To give atheists a world in which they don't give their tax dollars to religious leaders.<br><br />
To protect all people from the dangers of religion including arguing against all war that is predicated at least partially on religious conflict.<br><br />
To protect all people from religious intrusion.<br><br />
<br />
<br />
Check out the watered down version of our [[vision_.5]], we're considering more mass appeal by removing scary parts.<br />
----<br />
====Modifications====<br />
=====November 16th, 2011=====<br />
As stated our vision is open to revision, I have removed the following vision points on November 16th: <br />
* To assist the National Atheist Party by allowing ourselves to be counted and show that atheists are a voting block. ''Removed because reference to NAP alienated International members. Secondary reason: minor disagreement among atheists at to it should be supported''.<br />
* To elect an openly atheist President, as an important symbolic milestone of a shift in the perceptions and biases of the populace. ''Removed for now, but this will be voted on in a poll in 2012. This is coming across as redundant to some people and misleading to some people. The reference to electing "critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations" is much more universal and will be agreed upon by a larger group of atheists''.<br />
* To expose the truth about all religious establishments. ''Removed because it's redundant with "combat religious propaganda and brainwashing" and seems confrontational.''<br />
{{dash}}{{signature talk|Brian}}<br />
====Discussion====<br />
For discussion of the [[#Vision Statement]], please visit [ http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/30598 this forum discussion].<br />
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[[Category:Atheism United]] [[Category:Our Vision]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/SignatureSignature2011-11-17T07:51:56Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>To add your [[signature]] to a contribution, type four tilde characters in a row, like this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki><br />
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When you save the page, the wiki will convert these characters into a time-stamped [[signature]], like this: [[User:Wonderist|Wonderist]] 01:20, 30 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==Signature button==<br />
If you use the [[Signature button]] in the [[wiki editor]]<br />
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==Customizing your signature==<br />
...</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Talk:Atheism_United_BloggerTalk:Atheism United Blogger2011-11-17T07:43:12Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>I have an atheist blog, and this portal sounds interesting. Can I email someone to discuss this further? That sounds like a dumb question, but I could find nothing on this page.<br />
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Thanks,<br />
Bob<br />
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http://galileounchained.com/ <br />
galileounchained@gmail.com<br />
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I sent a message to your email. --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 14:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Brian, what would be the best way for people to contact you about this? We/I can put that info on the page so that it's easily found. {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 07:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/SubpagesSubpages2011-11-17T07:12:50Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>For now, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Subpages</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/SubpagesSubpages2011-11-17T07:11:57Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>For now, see [[Wikipedia:subpages]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/SubpagesSubpages2011-11-17T07:11:43Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>For now, see [[MediaWiki:subpages]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/SubpagesSubpages2011-11-17T07:09:49Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>For now, see [[Mediawiki:subpages]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/SubpagesSubpages2011-11-17T07:09:14Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>For now, see [[Wikimedia:subpages]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/SubpagesSubpages2011-11-17T07:07:21Z<p>Wonderist: Created page with "For now, see Wikipedia:subpages"</p>
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<div>For now, see [[Wikipedia:subpages]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Talk:Atheism_booksTalk:Atheism books2011-11-17T07:06:40Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>I suggest that each entry consist of a single paragraph beginning with the title, formatted as a link to a sales page for the book (e.g. on Amazon, or the author's website), the author's name, and a brief description. Or should it be author first, then title? Because once there's more than a dozen books we'll need to sort the list somehow.<br />
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Eventually there will be need for classification into groups such as books available online, classics, various topics like biblical criticism, philosophy, etc. But that will emerge as more books are added.<br />
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Syntax I suggest: Author Last Name, Author first name Book Title<br />
Wonderist will be around with how to connect to an amazon book page. We do have a code to get credit. I like your suggestion of a single paragraph, and of course it could be shorter. Anything more than a paragraph would make the page way too big. --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 00:32, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I have a really good idea for how to handle this, but it requires that [[subpages]] be enabled on the [[default namespace]]. I sent a message to XC about it, but haven't heard back from him. I'll try emailing him. {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 07:06, 17 November 2011 (UTC)</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Atheism_booksAtheism books2011-11-17T06:35:55Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>[http://www.rdcoste.com ''Night at the Gates''] by R. D. Coste. "What would happen if an atheist were to find himself standing in front of the Pearly Gates?"<br />
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[http://www.tassos-oak.com "Secular Wholeness"] by David Cortesi. Religious practice has benefits&mdash;people wouldn't do it otherwise. How can we get those benefits without the superstition?<br />
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[http://web.viu.ca/gibsona/a%20fundamental%20madness.htm "A Fundamental Madness"] by Allan Gibson. A thriller too close to reality! This could happen...</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Atheism_booksAtheism books2011-11-17T06:35:38Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>[http://www.rdcoste.com ''Night at the Gates''] by R. D. Coste. "What would happen if an atheist were to find himself standing in front of the Pearly Gates?"<br />
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[http://www.tassos-oak.com "Secular Wholeness"] by David Cortesi. Religious practice has benefits&mdash;people wouldn't do it otherwise. How can we get those benefits without the superstition?<br />
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[http://web.viu.ca/gibsona/a%20fundamental%20madness.htm "A Fundamental Madness"] by Allan Gibson. A thriller too close to reality! This could happen...<br />
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[[/test]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Talk:Our_VisionTalk:Our Vision2011-11-17T06:33:01Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>==Global scope vs. American-centric==<br />
Several people have commented in various places that some aspects of the vision are [[American-centric]]. This was not intentional, it was due simply to the happenstance that many of the people involved in the first few drafts of this vision are concerned about [[religions influence]] on [[American politics]].<br />
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The idea was not to be American-centric, the idea was simply to get something started, which would be continually revised and continually improved, in much the same way that [[open source software]] begins rather rough, but quickly adapts and improves and becomes more and more open to an international community as more and more internationally diverse people add to the initial effort. [[Wikipedia]] also had an initial period where it suffered from being American-centric; and even today it is still significantly [[Anglo-centric]].<br />
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This is not an excuse for being American-centric, it's just a practical fact that to start any project you have to start somewhere, even if that somewhere is not perfect. [[The perfect is the enemy of the good enough]].<br />
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We most certainly want to embrace a [[global perspective]], but we cannot do that alone. We need the help and correction of those who more clearly see our flaws. So, if you see something in our vision which is [[bias]]ed in some way, let us know, and feel free to provide a correction. No one is perfect, but we can strive to become better. Help us to do that.<br />
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===Possible correctives===<br />
It seems to me that there could/should be a more generalized, generic vision statement which represents a [[global perspective]], but I also feel that it is important for us to get specific in our various visions of what a successful [[Atheism United]]-influenced world would look like. So, I am 'for' the goal of electing an openly atheist American president, even though I'm Canadian and can't vote in the US. So what? It would still be a better world if it happened, all other things being equal.<br />
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So, I propose that ''in addition'' to a generalized, internationalized, global vision, we should actively embrace and support specific, regionalized, localized, specific visions from many different atheist activist groups. It need not be a mutually exclusive thing.<br />
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So, in that spirit, why don't we begin developing specific [[vision statements]] for different regions/countries around the world? Probably the issues are different in the UK, or Australia, or even in non-Anglo countries like France, Japan, India, China, etc. etc. But each region '''''will''''' have its own issues that can and should be identified, discussed, and addressed as part of a ''[[global perspective]]''.<br />
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As a concrete example, in [[Canada]], in [[Ontario]], we have two separate school systems, the public schools and the [[Catholic school system]] (I know, crazy, eh?). For me, this is a relevant issue, something that [[uniting atheists]] would help to address. Obviously, this problem doesn't exist in other countries like the US; it even doesn't exist in other provinces in Canada. But does that mean it cannot fall within the purview of a shared global vision of [[Atheism United]]? <br />
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I think it would be a grave mistake to say that it cannot. It would render the whole idea of [[Atheism United]] impotent and moot. If we cannot support one another in our various local struggles, how can we expect to get anywhere significant in the overall global struggle?<br />
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I'm against [[faith schools]] in the UK, too, though I don't live there, probably never will, and probably won't have any kids that go to school there.<br />
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Why should I care about local issues in some other country? Precisely '''''because''''' I am trying to take on a [[global perspective]]. People in the UK, or Australia, or China, or Africa are just as much people as I am, or my potential children are. They deserve a world [[free from religion]] as much as I or anyone else does. <br />
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The question of [[religious influence in American politics]] doesn't affect me directly, but it does affect me, because it affects humans who merely '''''happen''''' to be Americans. But they are humans first. They are people, and religions affect people regardless of whatever random geographical splotch of land they happen to be born into.<br />
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{{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 05:59, 17 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[[Category:Atheism United]] [[Category:Our Vision]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/User_talk:NancyUser talk:Nancy2011-11-17T06:25:18Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>Welcome aboard Nancy. Thanks for being here and agreeing to help on the longest list of atheist urls ever created. --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 15:35, 28 October 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Hey Nancy. Thanks for all your contributions! {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 06:25, 17 November 2011 (UTC)</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Talk:Main_PageTalk:Main Page2011-11-17T06:17:37Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>Shouldn't the Main page include links to other key pages in Wiki like the URL list pages? (-- [[User:COCORE|COCORE]])<br />
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Yes, it should. Definitely. We are just beginning [[this wiki]], and would appreciate any help you can think of. For example, if you think there's something missing from the [[Main Page]], feel free to go ahead and just add it in there. [[Be bold]]. The wiki can handle it.<br />
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As a matter of fact, we (I, for example) appreciate you simply bringing up this detail. Sometimes when you're working closely on something, it's hard to see what's missing, or what should be done next. Whenever someone brings up a question like yours, it is like leaving [[footprints in the snow]]. It helps us to see what needs to be improved. So, thank you for asking the question.<br />
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If you have additional questions, feel free to ask them. You may also want to read and/or add questions at the [[FAQ]] page.<br />
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I will add a link to the [[atheist URLs]] page. If you think of anything else to add, by all means, feel free to do so. I am currently the most active contributor. You can reach me at my [[talk page]] from my [[signature]]. Cheers! {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 23:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I wish you all the best with this endeavour. However, I'm disappointed to see how US-centric it is. The Value statement starts well, with a global outlook, but then we have a reference to the National Atheist Party and electing an atheist President (presumably of the US). Nothing turns non-US citizens off more than an attitude that the rest of the world doesn't exist, and I really think this wiki should have global scope. Could I have your thoughts on this? {{signature talk|GrahamC}}<br />
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The best aspect of this project Graham is how adaptive it is. The NAP reference is likely coming out soon. And at the request of several international users we are already working hard at adding international sites and categorization. See [Vision_.5 Vision .5]. Also see [[Atheist websites of Romania]]. We need your help and the help of the international community as this site will only be as strong as they help us make it. Please feel free to add international sites to the [[Huge list of atheist agnostic skeptic humanist websites]]. We are also need more International bloggers: [[Atheism United Blogger]] --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 01:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I've commented on this on [[Talk:Our Vision]] {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 06:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Talk:Main_PageTalk:Main Page2011-11-17T06:16:08Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>Shouldn't the Main page include links to other key pages in Wiki like the URL list pages? (-- [[User:COCORE|COCORE]])<br />
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Yes, it should. Definitely. We are just beginning [[this wiki]], and would appreciate any help you can think of. For example, if you think there's something missing from the [[Main Page]], feel free to go ahead and just add it in there. [[Be bold]]. The wiki can handle it.<br />
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As a matter of fact, we (I, for example) appreciate you simply bringing up this detail. Sometimes when you're working closely on something, it's hard to see what's missing, or what should be done next. Whenever someone brings up a question like yours, it is like leaving [[footprints in the snow]]. It helps us to see what needs to be improved. So, thank you for asking the question.<br />
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If you have additional questions, feel free to ask them. You may also want to read and/or add questions at the [[FAQ]] page.<br />
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I will add a link to the [[atheist URLs]] page. If you think of anything else to add, by all means, feel free to do so. I am currently the most active contributor. You can reach me at my [[talk page]] from my [[signature]]. Cheers! {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 23:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I wish you all the best with this endeavour. However, I'm disappointed to see how US-centric it is. The Value statement starts well, with a global outlook, but then we have a reference to the National Atheist Party and electing an atheist President (presumably of the US). Nothing turns non-US citizens off more than an attitude that the rest of the world doesn't exist, and I really think this wiki should have global scope. Could I have your thoughts on this? {{signature talk|GrahamC}}<br />
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The best aspect of this project Graham is how adaptive it is. The NAP reference is likely coming out soon. And at the request of several international users we are already working hard at adding international sites and categorization. See [Vision_.5 Vision .5]. Also see [[Atheist websites of Romania]]. We need your help and the help of the international community as this site will only be as strong as they help us make it. Please feel free to add international sites to the [[Huge list of atheist agnostic skeptic humanist websites]]. We are also need more International bloggers: [[Atheism United Blogger]] --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 01:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I've commented on this on [[Talk:Our Vision]] {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 06:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[[/test]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Talk:Main_PageTalk:Main Page2011-11-17T06:15:54Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>Shouldn't the Main page include links to other key pages in Wiki like the URL list pages? (-- [[User:COCORE|COCORE]])<br />
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Yes, it should. Definitely. We are just beginning [[this wiki]], and would appreciate any help you can think of. For example, if you think there's something missing from the [[Main Page]], feel free to go ahead and just add it in there. [[Be bold]]. The wiki can handle it.<br />
<br />
As a matter of fact, we (I, for example) appreciate you simply bringing up this detail. Sometimes when you're working closely on something, it's hard to see what's missing, or what should be done next. Whenever someone brings up a question like yours, it is like leaving [[footprints in the snow]]. It helps us to see what needs to be improved. So, thank you for asking the question.<br />
<br />
If you have additional questions, feel free to ask them. You may also want to read and/or add questions at the [[FAQ]] page.<br />
<br />
I will add a link to the [[atheist URLs]] page. If you think of anything else to add, by all means, feel free to do so. I am currently the most active contributor. You can reach me at my [[talk page]] from my [[signature]]. Cheers! {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 23:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I wish you all the best with this endeavour. However, I'm disappointed to see how US-centric it is. The Value statement starts well, with a global outlook, but then we have a reference to the National Atheist Party and electing an atheist President (presumably of the US). Nothing turns non-US citizens off more than an attitude that the rest of the world doesn't exist, and I really think this wiki should have global scope. Could I have your thoughts on this? {{signature talk|GrahamC}}<br />
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The best aspect of this project Graham is how adaptive it is. The NAP reference is likely coming out soon. And at the request of several international users we are already working hard at adding international sites and categorization. See [Vision_.5 Vision .5]. Also see [[Atheist websites of Romania]]. We need your help and the help of the international community as this site will only be as strong as they help us make it. Please feel free to add international sites to the [[Huge list of atheist agnostic skeptic humanist websites]]. We are also need more International bloggers: [[Atheism United Blogger]] --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 01:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I've commented on this on [[Talk:Our Vision]] {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 06:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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/test</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Talk:Main_pageTalk:Main page2011-11-17T06:15:30Z<p>Wonderist: Redirected page to Talk:Main Page</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Talk:Main Page]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/User_talk:GrahamCUser talk:GrahamC2011-11-17T06:14:40Z<p>Wonderist: Created page with "==From Wonderist== Hi GrahamC, just wanted to let you know that I've commented on your question about American-centrism on Talk:Main page and Talk:Our Vision. ~~~~"</p>
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<div>==From Wonderist==<br />
Hi GrahamC, just wanted to let you know that I've commented on your question about American-centrism on [[Talk:Main page]] and [[Talk:Our Vision]]. {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 06:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Talk:Main_PageTalk:Main Page2011-11-17T06:14:17Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>Shouldn't the Main page include links to other key pages in Wiki like the URL list pages? (-- [[User:COCORE|COCORE]])<br />
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Yes, it should. Definitely. We are just beginning [[this wiki]], and would appreciate any help you can think of. For example, if you think there's something missing from the [[Main Page]], feel free to go ahead and just add it in there. [[Be bold]]. The wiki can handle it.<br />
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As a matter of fact, we (I, for example) appreciate you simply bringing up this detail. Sometimes when you're working closely on something, it's hard to see what's missing, or what should be done next. Whenever someone brings up a question like yours, it is like leaving [[footprints in the snow]]. It helps us to see what needs to be improved. So, thank you for asking the question.<br />
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If you have additional questions, feel free to ask them. You may also want to read and/or add questions at the [[FAQ]] page.<br />
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I will add a link to the [[atheist URLs]] page. If you think of anything else to add, by all means, feel free to do so. I am currently the most active contributor. You can reach me at my [[talk page]] from my [[signature]]. Cheers! {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 23:35, 5 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I wish you all the best with this endeavour. However, I'm disappointed to see how US-centric it is. The Value statement starts well, with a global outlook, but then we have a reference to the National Atheist Party and electing an atheist President (presumably of the US). Nothing turns non-US citizens off more than an attitude that the rest of the world doesn't exist, and I really think this wiki should have global scope. Could I have your thoughts on this? {{signature talk|GrahamC}}<br />
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The best aspect of this project Graham is how adaptive it is. The NAP reference is likely coming out soon. And at the request of several international users we are already working hard at adding international sites and categorization. See [Vision_.5 Vision .5]. Also see [[Atheist websites of Romania]]. We need your help and the help of the international community as this site will only be as strong as they help us make it. Please feel free to add international sites to the [[Huge list of atheist agnostic skeptic humanist websites]]. We are also need more International bloggers: [[Atheism United Blogger]] --[[User:Brian|Brian]] 01:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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I've commented on this on [[Talk:Our Vision]] {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 06:14, 17 November 2011 (UTC)</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Talk:Our_VisionTalk:Our Vision2011-11-17T06:07:37Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>==Global scope vs. American-centric==<br />
Several people have commented in various places that some aspects of the vision are [[American-centric]]. This was not intentional, it was due simply to the happenstance that many of the people involved in the first few drafts of this vision are concerned about [[religions influence]] on [[American politics]].<br />
<br />
The idea was not to be American-centric, the idea was simply to get something started, which would be continually revised and continually improved, in much the same way that [[open source software]] begins rather rough, but quickly adapts and improves and becomes more and more open to an international community as more and more internationally diverse people add to the initial effort. [[Wikipedia]] also had an initial period where it suffered from being American-centric; and even today it is still significantly [[Anglo-centric]].<br />
<br />
This is not an excuse for being American-centric, it's just a practical fact that to start any project you have to start somewhere, even if that somewhere is not perfect. [[The perfect is the enemy of the good enough]].<br />
<br />
We most certainly want to embrace a [[global perspective]], but we cannot do that alone. We need the help and correction of those who more clearly see our flaws. So, if you see something in our vision which is [[bias]]ed in some way, let us know, and feel free to provide a correction. No one is perfect, but we can strive to become better. Help us to do that.<br />
<br />
===Possible correctives===<br />
It seems to me that there could/should be a more generalized, generic vision statement which represents a [[global perspective]], but I also feel that it is important for us to get specific in our various visions of what a successful [[Atheism United]]-influenced world would look like. So, I am 'for' the goal of electing an openly atheist American president, even though I'm Canadian and can't vote in the US. So what? It would still be a better world if it happened, all other things being equal.<br />
<br />
So, I propose that ''in addition'' to a generalized, internationalized, global vision, we should actively embrace and support specific, regionalized, localized, specific visions from many different atheist activist groups. It need not be a mutually exclusive thing.<br />
<br />
So, in that spirit, why don't we begin developing specific [[vision statements]] for different regions/countries around the world? Probably the issues are different in the UK, or Australia, or even in non-Anglo countries like France, Japan, India, China, etc. etc. But each region '''''will''''' have its own issues that can and should be identified, discussed, and addressed as part of a ''[[global perspective]]''.<br />
<br />
As a concrete example, in [[Canada]], in [[Ontario]], we have two separate school systems, the public schools and the [[Catholic school system]] (I know, crazy, eh?). For me, this is a relevant issue, something that [[uniting atheists]] would help to address. Obviously, this problem doesn't exist in other countries like the US; it even doesn't exist in other provinces in Canada. But does that mean it cannot fall within the purview of a shared global vision of [[Atheism United]]? <br />
<br />
I think it would be a grave mistake to say that it cannot. It would render the whole idea of [[Atheism United]] impotent and moot. If we cannot support one another in our various local struggles, how can we expect to get anywhere in significant in the overall global struggle?<br />
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I'm against [[faith schools]] in the UK, too, though I don't live there, probably never will, and probably won't have any kids that go to school there.<br />
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Why should I care about local issues in some other country? Precisely '''''because''''' I am trying to take on a [[global perspective]]. People in the UK, or Australia, or China, or Africa are just as much people as I am, or my potential children are. They deserve a world [[free from religion]] as much as I or anyone else does. <br />
<br />
The question of [[religious influence in American politics]] doesn't affect me directly, but it does affect me, because it affects humans who merely '''''happen''''' to be Americans. But they are humans first. They are people, and religions affect people regardless of whatever random geographical splotch of land they happen to be born into.<br />
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{{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 05:59, 17 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[[Category:Atheism United]] [[Category:Our Vision]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_goodPerfect is the enemy of good2011-11-17T06:06:19Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>{{quote|Dans ses écrits, un sàge Italien <br> Dit que le mieux est l'ennemi du bien. <br> (In his writings, a wise Italian <br> says that the best is the enemy of the good) <br> {{dash}}[[Voltaire]]}}<br />
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See [[Wikipedia:Perfect is the enemy of good]]<br />
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[[Category:Perfectionism]] [[Category:Pragmatism]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_goodPerfect is the enemy of good2011-11-17T06:05:41Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>{{quote|Dans ses écrits, un sàge Italien <br> Dit que le mieux est l'ennemi du bien. <br> (In his writings, a wise Italian <br> says that the best is the enemy of the good)}}<br />
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See [[Wikipedia:Perfect is the enemy of good]]<br />
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[[Category:Perfectionism]] [[Category:Pragmatism]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_goodPerfect is the enemy of good2011-11-17T06:05:06Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>{{quote|Dans ses écrits, un sàge Italien <br>Dit que le mieux est l'ennemi du bien. <br><br />
(In his writings, a wise Italian <br><br />
says that the best is the enemy of the good)}}<br />
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See [[Wikipedia:Perfect is the enemy of good]]<br />
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[[Category:Perfectionism]] [[Category:Pragmatism]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_goodPerfect is the enemy of good2011-11-17T06:01:51Z<p>Wonderist: Created page with "See Wikipedia:Perfect is the enemy of good Category:Perfectionism Category:Pragmatism"</p>
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<div>See [[Wikipedia:Perfect is the enemy of good]]<br />
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[[Category:Perfectionism]] [[Category:Pragmatism]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/The_perfect_is_the_enemy_of_the_good_enoughThe perfect is the enemy of the good enough2011-11-17T06:00:40Z<p>Wonderist: Redirected page to Perfect is the enemy of good</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[Perfect is the enemy of good]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Talk:Our_VisionTalk:Our Vision2011-11-17T05:59:09Z<p>Wonderist: Created page with "==Global scope vs. American-centric== Several people have commented in various places that some aspects of the vision are American-centric. This was not intentional, it wa..."</p>
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<div>==Global scope vs. American-centric==<br />
Several people have commented in various places that some aspects of the vision are [[American-centric]]. This was not intentional, it was due simply to the happenstance that many of the people involved in the first few drafts of this vision are concerned about [[religions influence]] on [[American politics]].<br />
<br />
The idea was not to be American-centric, the idea was simply to get something started, which would be continually revised and continually improved, in much the same way that [[open source software]] begins rather rough, but quickly adapts and improves and becomes more and more open to an international community as more and more internationally diverse people add to the initial effort. [[Wikipedia]] also had an initial period where it suffered from being American-centric; and even today it is still significantly [[Anglo-centric]].<br />
<br />
This is not an excuse for being American-centric, it's just a practical fact that to start any project you have to start somewhere, even if that somewhere is not perfect. [[The perfect is the enemy of the good enough]].<br />
<br />
We most certainly want to embrace a [[global perspective]], but we cannot do that alone. We need the help and correction of those who more clearly see our flaws. So, if you see something in our vision which is [[bias]]ed in some way, let us know, and feel free to provide a correction. No one is perfect, but we can strive to become better. Help us to do that.<br />
<br />
===Possible correctives===<br />
It seems to me that there could/should be a more generalized, generic vision statement which represents a [[global perspective]], but I also feel that it is important for us to get specific in our various visions of what a successful [[Atheism United]]-influenced world would look like. So, I am 'for' the goal of electing an openly atheist American president, even though I'm Canadian and can't vote in the US. So what? It would still be a better world if it happened, all other things being equal.<br />
<br />
So, I propose that ''in addition'' to a generalized, internationalized, global vision, we should actively embrace and support specific, regionalized, localized, specific visions from many different atheist activist groups. It need not be a mutually exclusive thing.<br />
<br />
So, in that spirit, why don't we begin developing specific [[vision statements]] for different regions/countries around the world? Probably the issues are different in the UK, or Australia, or even in non-Anglo countries like France, Japan, India, China, etc. etc. But each region '''''will''''' have its own issues that can and should be identified, discussed, and addressed as part of a ''[[global perspective]]''.<br />
<br />
As a concrete example, in [[Canada]], in [[Ontario]], we have two separate school systems, the public schools and the [[Catholic school system]] (I know, crazy, eh?). For me, this is a relevant issue, something that [[uniting atheists]] would help to address. Obviously, this problem doesn't exist in other countries like the US; it even doesn't exist in other provinces in Canada. But does that mean it cannot fall within the purview of a shared global vision of [[Atheism United]]? <br />
<br />
I think it would be a grave mistake to say that it cannot. It would render the whole idea of [[Atheism United]] impotent and moot. If we cannot support one another in our various local struggles, how can we expect to get anywhere in significant in the overall global struggle?<br />
<br />
I'm against [[faith schools]] in the UK, too, though I don't live there, probably never will, and probably won't have any kids that go to school there.<br />
<br />
Why should I care about local issues in some other country? Precisely '''''because''''' I am trying to take on a [[global perspective]]. People in the UK, or Australia, or China, or Africa are just as much people as I am, or my potential children are. They deserve a world [[free from religion]] as much as I or anyone else does. <br />
<br />
The question of [[religious influence in American politics]] doesn't affect me directly, but it does affect me, because it affects humans who merely '''''happen''''' to be Americans. But they are humans first. They are people, and religions affect people regardless of whatever random geographical splotch of land they happen to be born into.<br />
{{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 05:59, 17 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[[Category:Atheism United]] [[Category:Our Vision]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Category:AtheismCategory:Atheism2011-11-17T04:14:17Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>Someone or something that is [[atheism-related]]. The [[sub-category]] [[:Category:Atheist]] is used to designate someone or something that is specifically [[atheist]].<br />
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[[Category:About]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Main_PageMain Page2011-11-17T04:13:36Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>==Welcome==<br />
Welcome to the [[Atheism United]] Wiki. We are under construction. If you would like to help out, [[sign up]] for a membership and join us at the [[Atheism_United:Community_portal|community portal]].<br />
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==Home Page - Atheism United==<br />
''(adapted from the home page[http://www.atheismunited.com/])''<br />
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An idea is born. It will be nurtured and analyzed. Once in action, it will adapt, it will change, and grow with the times. Your input is welcome. If you are a leader or organizer of an atheist group you can join us at [http://www.facebook.com/groups/127459744008432/ Atheism United Headquarters] on Facebook. Make sure to also "like" [http://www.facebook.com/pages/Atheism-United-Headquarters/247045378672052 our community page] on Facebook.<br />
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[[Atheism United]] will support and aid all organizations that align with the principles we hold dear. Add your name to the [[Longest list of atheist URLs ever!|biggest list of atheist websites ever made]].<br />
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Everything here is under construction, starting with the above list which has as many atheist groups as you've ever seen listed in one location. Any organization that would like to submit stories from your membership about your impact on the world, we would like to use letters on the site and redirect readers to your site. ([[Lance Sievert]]) If you have any other writing that you would allow us to use on this site as a representative piece about your organization please submit it ([[Lance Sievert]]). We applaud the work of every other atheist organization that is doing their part to make the world a better place.<br />
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We're not encouraging sign ups right now, we are currently in a testing phase. If you do in fact [[sign up]] you may lose your content and have to sign up for a new name and password when the site goes live sometime in early 2012.<br />
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{{quote|A unity of Atheists is necessary in order to pool together our thoughts, experiences and to align and accumulate the social, political and moral goals which are unmotivated by theist belief.}}<br />
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{{:Our Vision}}<br />
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==Important pages (all still under construction)==<br />
* [[Huge list of atheist agnostic skeptic humanist websites]] <-- longest list of atheism sites online!<br />
* [[Our Vision]]<br />
* [[Atheism United Blogger]]<br />
* [[Ideas for volunteering]]<br />
* [[Article requests]]<br />
* ''(add more here)''<br />
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==Pages of interest==<br />
* [[Atheism movies]]<br />
* [[Atheism books]]<br />
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== To-do lists ==<br />
* [[:Category:Activist To-Do List|Activist To-Do List]]<br />
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[[Category:Wiki]] [[Category:Help]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Category:Our_VisionCategory:Our Vision2011-11-17T04:11:11Z<p>Wonderist: Created page with "Pages related to Our Vision. Category:About Category:Atheism United"</p>
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<div>Pages related to [[Our Vision]].<br />
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[[Category:About]] [[Category:Atheism United]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Our_VisionOur Vision2011-11-17T04:09:43Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>==Vision Statement==<br />
To stoke the flame that is reason as society leaves religion in our past.<br />
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===Market Atheism===<br />
To educate the people of the world on atheism<br><br />
To show the good atheists do for the sake of doing good.<br><br />
To establish tolerance in our nations for atheism and atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a watch dog organization to protect against religious infringement upon atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a lighthouse to those atheists who are alone or who remain hidden for fear of persecution.<br><br />
To combat religious propaganda and brainwashing.<br><br />
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===Improve the world===<br />
To unite in doing good together.<br><br />
To protect the rights of atheists and anyone who is being oppressed<br><br />
To make changes in government policy and goals<br><br />
To help all societies move toward global secularization<br><br />
To champion goals that serve the people such as making healthcare and a full education affordable or free for all.<br><br />
To elect critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations.<br><br />
To champion the ideas of truth, knowledge and freedom.<br><br />
To fight to protect our environment as we strive to make this planet better for future generations.<br><br />
<br />
===Protect and promote secular government===<br />
To repeal laws which impose religious ideals<br><br />
To return America to its Constitutional roots, without a government supported religious belief.<br><br />
To end the special privileges and exemptions that governments afford to religious institutions, including exemption from taxation.<br><br />
To give atheists a world in which they don't give their tax dollars to religious leaders.<br><br />
To protect all people from the dangers of religion including arguing against all war that is predicated at least partially on religious conflict.<br><br />
To protect all people from religious intrusion.<br><br />
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Check out the watered down version of our [[vision_.5]], we're considering more mass appeal by removing scary parts.<br />
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====Modifications====<br />
=====November 16th, 2011=====<br />
As stated our vision is open to revision, I have removed the following vision points on November 16th: <br />
* To assist the National Atheist Party by allowing ourselves to be counted and show that atheists are a voting block. ''Removed because reference to NAP alienated International members. Secondary reason: minor disagreement among atheists at to it should be supported''.<br />
* To elect an openly atheist President, as an important symbolic milestone of a shift in the perceptions and biases of the populace. ''Removed for now, but this will be voted on in a poll in 2012. This is coming across as redundant to some people and misleading to some people. The reference to electing "critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations" is much more universal and will be agreed upon by a larger group of atheists''.<br />
* To expose the truth about all religious establishments. ''Removed because it's redundant with "combat religious propaganda and brainwashing" and seems confrontational.''<br />
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====Discussion====<br />
For discussion of the [[#Vision Statement]], please visit [[Talk:Our Vision]].<br />
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[[Category:Atheism United]] [[Category:Our Vision]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Our_VisionOur Vision2011-11-17T04:07:50Z<p>Wonderist: /* Vision Statement */</p>
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<div>==Vision Statement==<br />
To stoke the flame that is reason as society leaves religion in our past.<br />
<br />
===Market Atheism===<br />
To educate the people of the world on atheism<br><br />
To show the good atheists do for the sake of doing good.<br><br />
To establish tolerance in our nations for atheism and atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a watch dog organization to protect against religious infringement upon atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a lighthouse to those atheists who are alone or who remain hidden for fear of persecution.<br><br />
To combat religious propaganda and brainwashing.<br><br />
<br />
===Improve the world===<br />
To unite in doing good together.<br><br />
To protect the rights of atheists and anyone who is being oppressed<br><br />
To make changes in government policy and goals<br><br />
To help all societies move toward global secularization<br><br />
To champion goals that serve the people such as making healthcare and a full education affordable or free for all.<br><br />
To elect critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations.<br><br />
To champion the ideas of truth, knowledge and freedom.<br><br />
To fight to protect our environment as we strive to make this planet better for future generations.<br><br />
<br />
===Protect and promote secular government===<br />
To repeal laws which impose religious ideals<br><br />
To return America to its Constitutional roots, without a government supported religious belief.<br><br />
To end the special privileges and exemptions that governments afford to religious institutions, including exemption from taxation.<br><br />
To give atheists a world in which they don't give their tax dollars to religious leaders.<br><br />
To protect all people from the dangers of religion including arguing against all war that is predicated at least partially on religious conflict.<br><br />
To protect all people from religious intrusion.<br><br />
<br />
<br />
Check out the watered down version of our [[vision_.5]], we're considering more mass appeal by removing scary parts.<br />
----<br />
====Modifications====<br />
=====November 16th, 2011=====<br />
As stated our vision is open to revision, I have removed the following vision points on November 16th: <br />
* To assist the National Atheist Party by allowing ourselves to be counted and show that atheists are a voting block. ''Removed because reference to NAP alienated International members. Secondary reason: minor disagreement among atheists at to it should be supported''.<br />
* To elect an openly atheist President, as an important symbolic milestone of a shift in the perceptions and biases of the populace. ''Removed for now, but this will be voted on in a poll in 2012. This is coming across as redundant to some people and misleading to some people. The reference to electing "critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations" is much more universal and will be agreed upon by a larger group of atheists''.<br />
* To expose the truth about all religious establishments. ''Removed because it's redundant with "combat religious propaganda and brainwashing" and seems confrontational.''<br />
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====Discussion====<br />
For discussion of the [[#Vision Statement]], please visit [[Talk:Our Vision]].</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Template:DashTemplate:Dash2011-11-17T04:03:02Z<p>Wonderist: Created page with "—"</p>
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<div>—</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Our_VisionOur Vision2011-11-17T04:02:37Z<p>Wonderist: /* November 16th, 2011 */</p>
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<div>==Vision Statement==<br />
To stoke the flame that is reason as society leaves religion in our past.<br />
<br />
===Market Atheism===<br />
To educate the people of the world on atheism<br><br />
To show the good atheists do for the sake of doing good.<br><br />
To establish tolerance in our nations for atheism and atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a watch dog organization to protect against religious infringement upon atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a lighthouse to those atheists who are alone or who remain hidden for fear of persecution.<br><br />
To combat religious propaganda and brainwashing.<br><br />
<br />
===Improve the world===<br />
To unite in doing good together.<br><br />
To protect the rights of atheists and anyone who is being oppressed<br><br />
To make changes in government policy and goals<br><br />
To help all societies move toward global secularization<br><br />
To champion goals that serve the people such as making healthcare and a full education affordable or free for all.<br><br />
To elect critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations.<br><br />
To champion the ideas of truth, knowledge and freedom.<br><br />
To fight to protect our environment as we strive to make this planet better for future generations.<br><br />
<br />
===Protect and promote secular government===<br />
To repeal laws which impose religious ideals<br><br />
To return America to its Constitutional roots, without a government supported religious belief.<br><br />
To end the special privileges and exemptions that governments afford to religious institutions, including exemption from taxation.<br><br />
To give atheists a world in which they don't give their tax dollars to religious leaders.<br><br />
To protect all people from the dangers of religion including arguing against all war that is predicated at least partially on religious conflict.<br><br />
To protect all people from religious intrusion.<br><br />
<br />
<br />
Check out the watered down version of our [[vision_.5]], we're considering more mass appeal by removing scary parts.<br />
<br />
<br />
====Modifications====<br />
=====November 16th, 2011=====<br />
As stated our vision is open to revision, I have removed the following vision points on November 16th: <br />
* To assist the National Atheist Party by allowing ourselves to be counted and show that atheists are a voting block. ''Removed because reference to NAP alienated International members. Secondary reason: minor disagreement among atheists at to it should be supported''.<br />
* To elect an openly atheist President, as an important symbolic milestone of a shift in the perceptions and biases of the populace. ''Removed for now, but this will be voted on in a poll in 2012. This is coming across as redundant to some people and misleading to some people. The reference to electing "critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations" is much more universal and will be agreed upon by a larger group of atheists''.<br />
* To expose the truth about all religious establishments. ''Removed because it's redundant with "combat religious propaganda and brainwashing" and seems confrontational.''<br />
{{dash}}{{signature talk|Brian}}</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Our_VisionOur Vision2011-11-17T04:00:18Z<p>Wonderist: /* Modifications */</p>
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<div>==Vision Statement==<br />
To stoke the flame that is reason as society leaves religion in our past.<br />
<br />
===Market Atheism===<br />
To educate the people of the world on atheism<br><br />
To show the good atheists do for the sake of doing good.<br><br />
To establish tolerance in our nations for atheism and atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a watch dog organization to protect against religious infringement upon atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a lighthouse to those atheists who are alone or who remain hidden for fear of persecution.<br><br />
To combat religious propaganda and brainwashing.<br><br />
<br />
===Improve the world===<br />
To unite in doing good together.<br><br />
To protect the rights of atheists and anyone who is being oppressed<br><br />
To make changes in government policy and goals<br><br />
To help all societies move toward global secularization<br><br />
To champion goals that serve the people such as making healthcare and a full education affordable or free for all.<br><br />
To elect critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations.<br><br />
To champion the ideas of truth, knowledge and freedom.<br><br />
To fight to protect our environment as we strive to make this planet better for future generations.<br><br />
<br />
===Protect and promote secular government===<br />
To repeal laws which impose religious ideals<br><br />
To return America to its Constitutional roots, without a government supported religious belief.<br><br />
To end the special privileges and exemptions that governments afford to religious institutions, including exemption from taxation.<br><br />
To give atheists a world in which they don't give their tax dollars to religious leaders.<br><br />
To protect all people from the dangers of religion including arguing against all war that is predicated at least partially on religious conflict.<br><br />
To protect all people from religious intrusion.<br><br />
<br />
<br />
Check out the watered down version of our [[vision_.5]], we're considering more mass appeal by removing scary parts.<br />
<br />
<br />
====Modifications====<br />
=====November 16th, 2011=====<br />
As stated our vision is open to revision, I have removed the following vision points on November 16th: <br />
* To assist the National Atheist Party by allowing ourselves to be counted and show that atheists are a voting block. ''Removed because reference to NAP alienated International members. Secondary reason: minor disagreement among atheists at to it should be supported''.<br />
* To elect an openly atheist President, as an important symbolic milestone of a shift in the perceptions and biases of the populace. ''Removed for now, but this will be voted on in a poll in 2012. This is coming across as redundant to some people and misleading to some people. The reference to electing "critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations" is much more universal and will be agreed upon by a larger group of atheists''.<br />
* To expose the truth about all religious establishments. ''Removed because it's redundant with "combat religious propaganda and brainwashing" and seems confrontational.''<br />
-- {{signature talk|Brian}}</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Our_VisionOur Vision2011-11-17T03:59:40Z<p>Wonderist: /* Protect and promote secular government */</p>
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<div>==Vision Statement==<br />
To stoke the flame that is reason as society leaves religion in our past.<br />
<br />
===Market Atheism===<br />
To educate the people of the world on atheism<br><br />
To show the good atheists do for the sake of doing good.<br><br />
To establish tolerance in our nations for atheism and atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a watch dog organization to protect against religious infringement upon atheists.<br><br />
To serve as a lighthouse to those atheists who are alone or who remain hidden for fear of persecution.<br><br />
To combat religious propaganda and brainwashing.<br><br />
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===Improve the world===<br />
To unite in doing good together.<br><br />
To protect the rights of atheists and anyone who is being oppressed<br><br />
To make changes in government policy and goals<br><br />
To help all societies move toward global secularization<br><br />
To champion goals that serve the people such as making healthcare and a full education affordable or free for all.<br><br />
To elect critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations.<br><br />
To champion the ideas of truth, knowledge and freedom.<br><br />
To fight to protect our environment as we strive to make this planet better for future generations.<br><br />
<br />
===Protect and promote secular government===<br />
To repeal laws which impose religious ideals<br><br />
To return America to its Constitutional roots, without a government supported religious belief.<br><br />
To end the special privileges and exemptions that governments afford to religious institutions, including exemption from taxation.<br><br />
To give atheists a world in which they don't give their tax dollars to religious leaders.<br><br />
To protect all people from the dangers of religion including arguing against all war that is predicated at least partially on religious conflict.<br><br />
To protect all people from religious intrusion.<br><br />
<br />
<br />
Check out the watered down version of our [[vision_.5]], we're considering more mass appeal by removing scary parts.<br />
<br />
<br />
====Modifications====<br />
=====November 16th, 2011=====<br />
As stated our vision is open to revision, I have removed the following vision points on November 16th: <br />
* To assist the National Atheist Party by allowing ourselves to be counted and show that atheists are a voting block. ''Removed because reference to NAP alienated International members. Secondary reason: minor disagreement among atheists at to it should be supported''.<br />
* To elect an openly atheist President, as an important symbolic milestone of a shift in the perceptions and biases of the populace. ''Removed for now, but this will be voted on in a poll in 2012. This is coming across as redundant to some people and misleading to some people. The reference to electing "critical thinkers and people of reason to positions of service in our nations" is much more universal and will be agreed upon by a larger group of atheists''.<br />
* To expose the truth about all religious establishments. ''Removed because it's redundant with "combat religious propaganda and brainwashing" and seems confrontational.''<br />
{{signature talk|Brian}}</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/FacebookFacebook2011-11-17T01:44:09Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>[[Facebook]] is a [[social networking website]] at http://facebook.com/.<br />
<br />
==Satire==<br />
[[Facebook]] is a page that we really shouldn't have an entry for on atheismopedia.<br />
<br />
[[Facebook]] is famous for helping us network better while simultaneously accomplishing much less. Some people have lost their job for talking about their job to their friends (on [[Facebook]]).<br />
<br />
No matter what you ever write on [[Facebook]] it will always be available for someone to find, even if you delete it. Some people have said that [[Facebook]] sells info to spies, or that spies can hack the system and get anything you've ever written. So stop doing shady stuff... like [http://www.rationalresponders.com atheist activism]. They're watching.<br />
<br />
You could always support the hard work of an atheist website. Some of these atheist sites generate revenue just by you visiting them! Try visiting 1 or 10 of [[Huge list of atheist agnostic skeptic humanist websites|these atheist sites]].<br />
<br />
If you do happen to spend time on [[Facebook]], check out the [[Facebook Atheist Groups]].<br />
<br />
<br />
==Thread==<br />
===Taking some of the satire at face value===<br />
[[Facebook]] is a page that we really shouldn't have an entry for on atheismopedia.<br />
: I disagree. First of all, [[this wiki is not Wikipedia]], it is about [[uniting atheists]]. It is a [[concept wiki]], not a [[document wiki]]. Secondly, and most importantly, [[this wiki]] is about [[uniting atheists]] in the sense of [[working together]] towards [[our vision]]. That means, the if we want to talk about [[Facebook]], then we should have a [[wiki page]] about [[Facebook]], especially as to how it relates to [[working together]] towards [[our vision]] of [[Atheism United]].<br />
: For example, not everyone knows [[how to use Facebook]]. For a long time, I didn't, for example. And now that's I'm starting to learn about how it works, I'm starting to thing about [[how to use Facebook]] for [[community]], [[organization]], [[activism]], and all sorts of other [[atheism-related]] topics.<br />
: Don't be afraid to have some seemingly-disconnected [[wiki page]] on [[this wiki]]. It is harmless. If no one visits it, then it doesn't get used. If they do, then it does, and it will grow in usefulness the more people who visit and [[contribute]] their [[ideas]].<br />
: Think of [[this wiki]] as a continuous, extended, massively multi-player [[brainstorming]] session. Bring any and all ideas to bear! We are going to need as many as we can get, if we are to accomplish [[our vision]]. I believe that we will be able to achieve [[unity through diversity]]. It's how [[democracies]] work, it's how [[open source software]] works, it's how [[science]] works, it's how [[evolution]] works. It will work for us too. {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 18:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
[[Category:Companies]] [[Category:Internet]] [[Category:Tools]] [[Category:Social networking]] [[Category:Community]] [[Category:Organization]] [[Category:Collaboration]] [[Category:Collaboration tools]] [[Category:Websites]]<br />
[[Category:Social networking websites]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Help:ContentsHelp:Contents2011-11-16T22:53:21Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>[[Stub page]] for [[Help:Contents]]. Should import content and/or redirect from the [[Help]] page.<br />
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[[Tips & Tricks]]<br />
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[[Category:Urgent]] [[Category:Stub]]<br />
[[Category:Help]]<br />
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Wiki text formatting codes: [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet|Cheat sheet]] and full [[Wikipedia:Help:Wiki markup|Wiki markup]] documentation.<br />
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* How to make an [[interwiki]] link to [[Wikipedia]]: <br />
** <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Atheism]]</nowiki> makes [[Wikipedia:Atheism]]<br />
** <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Help:Wiki markup]]</nowiki> makes [[Wikipedia:Help:Wiki markup]]<br />
** <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet]]</nowiki> makes [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Help:ContentsHelp:Contents2011-11-16T22:53:04Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>[[Stub page]] for [[Help:Contents]]. Should import content and/or redirect from the [[Help]] page.<br />
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[[Tips & Tricks]]<br />
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[[Category:Urgent]] [[Category:Stub]]<br />
[[Category:Help]]<br />
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Wiki text formatting codes: [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet|Cheat sheet]] and full [[Wikipedia:Help:Wiki markup|Help:Wiki markup]] documentation.<br />
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* How to make an [[interwiki]] link to [[Wikipedia]]: <br />
** <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Atheism]]</nowiki> makes [[Wikipedia:Atheism]]<br />
** <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Help:Wiki markup]]</nowiki> makes [[Wikipedia:Help:Wiki markup]]<br />
** <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet]]</nowiki> makes [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Help:ContentsHelp:Contents2011-11-16T22:52:22Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>[[Stub page]] for [[Help:Contents]]. Should import content and/or redirect from the [[Help]] page.<br />
<br />
[[Tips & Tricks]]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Urgent]] [[Category:Stub]]<br />
[[Category:Help]]<br />
<br />
Wiki text formatting codes: [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet]] and full [[Wikipedia:Help:Wiki markup]] documentation.<br />
<br />
* How to make an [[interwiki]] link to [[Wikipedia]]: <br />
** <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Atheism]]</nowiki> makes [[Wikipedia:Atheism]]<br />
** <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Help:Wiki markup]]</nowiki> makes [[Wikipedia:Help:Wiki markup]]** <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet]]</nowiki> makes [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Help:ContentsHelp:Contents2011-11-16T22:48:53Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>[[Stub page]] for [[Help:Contents]]. Should import content and/or redirect from the [[Help]] page.<br />
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[[/subpage?]]<br />
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[[Tips & Tricks]]<br />
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[[Category:Urgent]] [[Category:Stub]]<br />
[[Category:Help]]<br />
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Wiki text formatting codes: [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Cheatsheet]] and full [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup Markup documentation]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Help:ContentsHelp:Contents2011-11-16T22:48:18Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>[[Stub page]] for [[Help:Contents]]. Should import content and/or redirect from the [[Help]] page.<br />
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[[/subpage?]]<br />
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[[Tips & Tricks]]<br />
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[[Category:Urgent]] [[Category:Stub]]<br />
[[Category:Help]]<br />
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Wiki text formatting codes: [[Wikipedia:Cheatsheet]] and full [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup Markup documentation]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Social_networking_websiteSocial networking website2011-11-16T19:42:24Z<p>Wonderist: Redirected page to Category:Social networking websites</p>
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<div>#REDIRECT [[:Category:Social networking websites]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/FacebookFacebook2011-11-16T19:41:56Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[Facebook]] is a [[social networking website]] at http://facebook.com/.<br />
<br />
==Satire==<br />
[[Facebook]] is a page that we really shouldn't have an entry for on [[atheismopedia]].<br />
<br />
[[Facebook]] is famous for helping us network better while simultaneously accomplishing much less. Some people have lost their job for talking about their job to their friends (on [[Facebook]]).<br />
<br />
No matter what you ever write on [[Facebook]] it will always be available for someone to find, even if you delete it. Some people have said that [[Facebook]] sells info to spies, or that spies can hack the system and get anything you've ever written. So stop doing shady stuff... like [http://www.rationalresponders.com atheist activism]. They're watching.<br />
<br />
You could always support the hard work of an atheist website. Some of these atheist sites generate revenue just by you visiting them! Try visiting 1 or 10 of [[Huge list of atheist agnostic skeptic humanist websites|these atheist sites]].<br />
<br />
If you do happen to spend time on [[Facebook]], check out the [[Facebook Atheist Groups]].<br />
<br />
<br />
==Thread==<br />
===Taking some of the satire at face value===<br />
[[Facebook]] is a page that we really shouldn't have an entry for on [[atheismopedia]].<br />
: I disagree. First of all, [[this wiki is not atheismopedia]], it is about [[uniting atheists]]. It is a [[concept wiki]], not a [[document wiki]]. Secondly, and most importantly, [[this wiki]] is about [[uniting atheists]] in the sense of [[working together]] towards [[our vision]]. That means, the if we want to talk about [[Facebook]], then we should have a [[wiki page]] about [[Facebook]], especially as to how it relates to [[working together]] towards [[our vision]] of [[Atheism United]].<br />
: For example, not everyone knows [[how to use Facebook]]. For a long time, I didn't, for example. And now that's I'm starting to learn about how it works, I'm starting to thing about [[how to use Facebook]] for [[community]], [[organization]], [[activism]], and all sorts of other [[atheism-related]] topics.<br />
: Don't be afraid to have some seemingly-disconnected [[wiki page]] on [[this wiki]]. It is harmless. If no one visits it, then it doesn't get used. If they do, then it does, and it will grow in usefulness the more people who visit and [[contribute]] their [[ideas]].<br />
: Think of [[this wiki]] as a continuous, extended, massively multi-player [[brainstorming]] session. Bring any and all ideas to bear! We are going to need as many as we can get, if we are to accomplish [[our vision]]. I believe that we will be able to achieve [[unity through diversity]]. It's how [[democracies]] work, it's how [[open source software]] works, it's how [[science]] works, it's how [[evolution]] works. It will work for us too. {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 18:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
[[Category:Companies]] [[Category:Internet]] [[Category:Tools]] [[Category:Social networking]] [[Category:Community]] [[Category:Organization]] [[Category:Collaboration]] [[Category:Collaboration tools]] [[Category:Websites]]<br />
[[Category:Social networking websites]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Category:OrganizationCategory:Organization2011-11-16T19:37:18Z<p>Wonderist: Created page with "Pages about organization in relation to Atheism United. Category:About"</p>
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<div>Pages about [[organization]] in relation to [[Atheism United]].<br />
<br />
[[Category:About]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/TwitterTwitter2011-11-16T19:36:40Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
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<div>http://twitter.com/<br />
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[[Category:Social networking]] [[Category:Websites]] [[Category:Social networking websites]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/FacebookFacebook2011-11-16T19:36:09Z<p>Wonderist: </p>
<hr />
<div>[[Facebook]]<br />
==Satire==<br />
[[Facebook]] is a page that we really shouldn't have an entry for on [[atheismopedia]].<br />
<br />
[[Facebook]] is famous for helping us network better while simultaneously accomplishing much less. Some people have lost their job for talking about their job to their friends (on [[Facebook]]).<br />
<br />
No matter what you ever write on [[Facebook]] it will always be available for someone to find, even if you delete it. Some people have said that [[Facebook]] sells info to spies, or that spies can hack the system and get anything you've ever written. So stop doing shady stuff... like [http://www.rationalresponders.com atheist activism]. They're watching.<br />
<br />
You could always support the hard work of an atheist website. Some of these atheist sites generate revenue just by you visiting them! Try visiting 1 or 10 of [[Huge list of atheist agnostic skeptic humanist websites|these atheist sites]].<br />
<br />
If you do happen to spend time on [[Facebook]], check out the [[Facebook Atheist Groups]].<br />
<br />
<br />
==Thread==<br />
===Taking some of the satire at face value===<br />
[[Facebook]] is a page that we really shouldn't have an entry for on [[atheismopedia]].<br />
: I disagree. First of all, [[this wiki is not atheismopedia]], it is about [[uniting atheists]]. It is a [[concept wiki]], not a [[document wiki]]. Secondly, and most importantly, [[this wiki]] is about [[uniting atheists]] in the sense of [[working together]] towards [[our vision]]. That means, the if we want to talk about [[Facebook]], then we should have a [[wiki page]] about [[Facebook]], especially as to how it relates to [[working together]] towards [[our vision]] of [[Atheism United]].<br />
: For example, not everyone knows [[how to use Facebook]]. For a long time, I didn't, for example. And now that's I'm starting to learn about how it works, I'm starting to thing about [[how to use Facebook]] for [[community]], [[organization]], [[activism]], and all sorts of other [[atheism-related]] topics.<br />
: Don't be afraid to have some seemingly-disconnected [[wiki page]] on [[this wiki]]. It is harmless. If no one visits it, then it doesn't get used. If they do, then it does, and it will grow in usefulness the more people who visit and [[contribute]] their [[ideas]].<br />
: Think of [[this wiki]] as a continuous, extended, massively multi-player [[brainstorming]] session. Bring any and all ideas to bear! We are going to need as many as we can get, if we are to accomplish [[our vision]]. I believe that we will be able to achieve [[unity through diversity]]. It's how [[democracies]] work, it's how [[open source software]] works, it's how [[science]] works, it's how [[evolution]] works. It will work for us too. {{‽ link}} {{signature talk|Wonderist}} 18:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)<br />
[[Category:Companies]] [[Category:Internet]] [[Category:Tools]] [[Category:Social networking]] [[Category:Community]] [[Category:Organization]] [[Category:Collaboration]] [[Category:Collaboration tools]] [[Category:Websites]]<br />
[[Category:Social networking websites]]</div>Wonderisthttp://www.atheismunited.com/wiki/Category:Social_networking_websitesCategory:Social networking websites2011-11-16T19:35:17Z<p>Wonderist: Created page with "Websites which enable social networking Category:Websites Category:Social networking"</p>
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<div>[[Websites]] which enable [[social networking]]<br />
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[[Category:Websites]] [[Category:Social networking]]</div>Wonderist